sad baby

Nov. 22nd, 2002 09:58 am
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guess it made good sense to stay home last night--
Emily was cranky and sick. We went through a number of clothes changes with the explody butt. She also got up at 4 and wouldn't go back to sleep until 6:30 and then only for a bit. After that she was cranky and crying and crawling from room to room yelling at things--I felt bad for her but it's funny to see her yell at bookcases.

Ninny isn't feeling well today. High blood sugar is what it looks like. I'm trying to get her to eat some chicken but she says no to even that. Hopefully when this morning's insulin shot hits she'll feel more like eating. She and Teatime go to the vet a week from tomorrow-he for his annual and shots, she for a diabetes check and another attempt to teach us how to test her sugar. We can't get the blood needed out of her wee bat ears to test, even with the monitor that needs only a bit of blood. When we try we prick, then have to squeeze and squeeze and it hurts and she gets upset and we give up. They are going to give us bigger lancets.

and thank god for peapod.

Oh..does anyone know if the nestle boycott is still meaningful? I would like to try miss em on good start, but what happened in the 70's with formula in third world countries and lots of dead babies --well I try my best to use our money where it matters, even if it's a small gesture. Which is also why I haven't bought anything at Nike, the Gap or Old Navy (and they do have great baby clothes and maternity clothes) for going on three years now--since I read about their truly evil manufacturing practices in the book NO LOGO. It's one thing to take the business overseas, it's another thing to practice child slave labor,fire pregnant women just because they are pregnant and lock people in for 48 hour shifts--people die working for these companies and it's too much to overlook. I know I can't address every human rights violation or we'd be living in the hinterlands making our own clothes and churning butter, but I will do what I can do.

Date: 2002-11-22 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] assriel.livejournal.com
I've used Good Start. It's good stuff...only ONE child EVER Allergic to it.

Didn't KNOW about a boycott. I am SOOO behind.

Date: 2002-11-22 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattblakk.livejournal.com
I think it's OK to use the formula, the stuff I tried from Rainbow didn't really cut it with Blake's tetchy tummy.

Sorry to hear about the grrl being sick. I know how hard that is, and I'm not even close enough the spell you so she can give me the flu like Blake did to you guys.

Date: 2002-11-22 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pywacket.livejournal.com
em actually has a cast iron stomach unlike the blakester. I just like the non staining properties of the good start and that it's cheaper. I just dunno if the boycott is still well, having a point.

Date: 2002-11-22 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaforme.livejournal.com
I know I can't address every human rights violation or we'd be living in the hinterlands making our own clothes and churning butter, but I will do what I can do.

I struggle with that all the time! Part of me wishes I could live in the hinterlands, etc. But no, these are the times I was born into. So much madness in the world today! I try to do what I can (which is precious little), and always wonder if it makes a whit of difference.

Date: 2002-11-22 12:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
I have a brother-in-law that works for Nestle.

And the boycott didn't make sense to me. Get mad about the lack of sanitary water to make formula with? That's what it boiled down to. When there wasn't good water to make formula with, the proponents of this boycott wanted Nestle to tell women to breastfeed instead. Like they'd know. When, I mean.

Jeezus.

Nestle provides a very good product. Use at your own discretion. Where water supplies aren't contaminated. And stuff.

Date: 2002-11-22 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pywacket.livejournal.com
actually what i read/heard was that nestle promoted using the formula and NOT breastfeeding. And didn't inform the women (in a way they could understand) that they needed to use sanitary water.

Date: 2002-11-23 10:48 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
They did what everyone does - promote the product in the most favorable light. No, they did not discourage breastfeeding...and if you can't read, how can anyone tell you to use clean water to make formula?

The proponents basically wanted them to not advertise, sell or promote this product because they could not satisfactorily address the surrounding concerns. If you use a formula, you aren't breastfeeding. If you are told to use water and the mix and you are totally unaware of how filthy the water is (because you drink it too, etc.) -

The whole thing made little sense because it blamed Nestle - and never addressed the underlying concerns. Because Nestle appears to be the big, bad, RICH guy, most of the blame landed there. Again, as if the company actually had some control or could realistically do much to help. This is in places where the communities are under a lot of external pressures (war, existing famine, poverty, disease) - the actual culprits, not a company providing a product. Some things aren't solved by throwing money at them.

Good Start is an excellent product. I'd be more willing to boycott Wal-Mart, myself.

Date: 2002-11-23 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pywacket.livejournal.com
I agree with most of what you wrote..my issues about nestle had to do with them coming into line with the requests of the original boycott (they had some horrid and misleading marketing--dressing up people like nurses and handing out the formula for example, convincing doctors to promote formula over breastfeeding--but the formula costs more than half a family's salary, so they'd stretch the formula by watering it down AND the family had to go hungry--yay malnutrition for everyone) which they seem to have done. THey also seem to have gone back to saying 'breast is best' everywhere, which while I get annoyed when people try and nail me for not breastfeeding (like they could possibly know what I went through) it still correct.

I expect them to be capitalists, but responsible capitalists.

Date: 2002-11-22 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naughtykitty.livejournal.com
My friend works for Infact, a corporate watchdog group who I believe organized the boycott way back when. I think it is long over, but I can't seem to keep up with all her boycottness (like, I think the Kraft/Philip Morris boycott may be over too). There is probably onfo on the Infact site. If not (or you just can't find it in all the unorganized info there) and you are still interested, I can email my pal and get the lowdown for you. Being socially aware and giving a damn can be tiring, no?

Date: 2002-11-22 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pywacket.livejournal.com
I would love if you would get the word from her..I keep reading it was over in 84, 88 then started up again.

I wish there was one site I trusted to give me all the info. nologo.org is the closest...but I'm also kinda strict about what constitutes a boycott --like NO changing what you are asking for after they have caved into your demands (which sadly, lots of lefty causes do).

Nestle

Date: 2002-11-26 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naughtykitty.livejournal.com
Here's what she said. Hope it helps!

Anyway, that's cool that you have a friend interested in the Nestle
boycott. There is still a worldwide boycott of Nestle over their
marketing of Infant formula. Basically, Infact worked for years with the
World Health Organization to develop a code for safe marketing of formula
and when that was complete we called off the boycott and moved on.
However...other groups that we worked with continued to monitor Nestle's
adherence with the code and recalled the boycott a few years later. One
of these groups is IBFAN (International baby food action network) Here's
what their website says:
Nestlé is the target of worldwide criticism for marketing baby foods in
ways that violate marketing requirements adopted to protect infant
health. The World Health Organization estimates that 1.5 million infants
die around the world every year because they are not breastfed. Where
water is unsafe a bottle-fed child is up to 25 times more likely to die
as a result of diarrhea than a breastfed child. Even in the most hygienic
of conditions a breastfed child is less likely to become ill in both the
short and long term.

If she wants more info I would check out their website and in particular
this link:
http://www.ibfan.org/english/news/briefing/jbc.html

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